Filmmakers and authors, Ronald C. Meyer and Mark Reeder, discuss why Bigfoot defies simple biological explanation, saying witness reports of Bigfoot vanishing, interacting with the environment unseen, and other anomalies lead him away from being an ape in the woods to something stranger. From the Patterson-Gimlin film to Jacques Vallée’s "Control System Hypothesis", we explore how intent and ritual-like investigations facilitate paranormal experiences. Gabrielle and Jody share a recent encounter and the four discuss why humans, unlike AI, are able to thrive in the mystery, and how the phenomena itself gives us just enough, to keep us asking, "What is out there?".

Jason, a former Air Force veteran, police officer, and author joins Gabrielle and Jody to talk about the unexplained. From UFOs and time slips to the Mogollon Monster, this episode is a fun discussion about high strangeness and phenomena that defy logic which are the inspiration for his book series, "The 918 Files".